Warning: There are spoilers ahead for From season 4, episode 10, “If a Tree Falls in the Forest…”The endgame has arrived in MGM+’s From.

From‘s season 4 finale ends with a scene between the Boy in White (Vox Smith) and Sophia (Julia Doyle), the latter of whom is the Man in Yellow (Douglas E. Hughes) in disguise. Sophia discards the protective talismans and is happy about this, along with the bottle tree being removed. As for the Boy in White, he is optimistic about his enemy losing and the cycle ending now that the residents have the bones.

In an interview with ScreenRant‘s Tatiana Hullender for the From season 4 finale, showrunner and executive producer Jeff Pinkner was asked about what this scene means and how it sets up season 5. He confirms that this sets up “the endgame” in the already renewed final season, which fulfills the original pitch given to MGM+. Pinker also emphasizes how the scene shows that the Man in Yellow is still figuring things out and doesn’t know how this cycle is going to end. Check out his comments below:

I think that we’re telling a story with a beginning, middle, and end, and season 5 is the endgame. One of the unbelievable luxuries of working with MGM+ in making this television show is that, when we started, we told them that it was a five-season-long, 50-episode story, and they put their trust in us. They’ve been unbelievable partners in letting us tell the story we wanted to tell from the beginning.

So, I think that what you’re going to see in season 5 is really answers to questions like, “How does this story wrap up? Are our characters going to survive? Are they going to be able to get out of this Town? What will people have to sacrifice along the way? How will they overcome the Man in Yellow, if they are even able to?”

I think that the table setting between the Boy in White and the Man in Yellow (in the guise of Sophia) in that scene is really just underscoring for the audience that, for the Man in Yellow, this is a work in progress too. The Man in Yellow has created a condition where people are called back to this Town and suffer here, and it’s the suffering that fuels him. I think that scene helps us explicate that he’s as curious as anyone about finding out exactly how this is going to end. It’s not foretold; it’s a story that is unfolding in real time. It’s not already preordained — and that’s the kind of story that the three of us are the most interested in telling, one that isn’t preordained, but is happening, becoming, and evolving in the same way that our characters are constantly evolving and changing. One such case is Fatima’s transformation.

I know I’m being vague because to say anything more specific would be to reveal too much, but I think that is my wildly imperfect answer to your question.

Series creator and executive producer John Griffin was asked the same question and explained that the final scene is meant to confirm that the Man in Yellow and the Boy in White, two important characters who have been in the background for the majority of the series, are aware of each other and have history together.

When it comes to the Boy in White and the Man in Yellow, for the audience, I think it’s an interesting notion to be able to look and say, “Oh, so they are aware of each other!” Wherever that may lead or whatever that might be setting up, it’s confirmation that these two figures, who have operated in the background and whom we’ve only seen on the periphery, are absolutely aware of each other.

Revealing that the Boy in White wants the residents to succeed and has been trying to help them is a major mystery answered by From season 4. This is the exact opposite of the Man in Yellow, who thrives on the suffering he causes in the Township and has shaped the place into the nightmare it has become. At the same time, he is not omnipotent, nor is he omniscient.

Pinkner’s comments about the Man in Yellow not knowing how this story ends proves he was not bluffing to Tabitha Matthews (Catalina Sandino Moreno) in season 4, episode 8. As always, the villain wants the residents to suffer and ultimately lose, but he is also genuinely curious about how things will play out given how far Tabitha, Jade Herrera (David Alpay), and the others have gotten this time.

The dynamic between the Boy in White and the Man in Yellow and where their loyalties lie are now clear, but a question that From season 5 needs to answer is in regard to their origins. It’s still unknown what they are exactly, how their existence started in the Town, and what will happen to them if the residents actually win this time.

Another question that From season 5 needs to answer is why the Man in Yellow can directly intervene in the lives of the residents while the Boy in White takes a more indirect approach. The former has spent a whole season pretending to be Sophia as he lives among and sabotages them, while the Boy in White only showed up a couple of times to give select characters cryptic messages. Like Jacob (Mark Pellegrino) in Lost, he may want the characters to make the right decisions for themselves, but there could be another explanation too.

From season 4 is streaming on MGM+.